Well guys, we need some ideas.

[Solitary Seraph]

Because we need some activity. We've had a huge slump lately, and I don't know if it's because we don't have any rivals, or anything to bitch about, or what, but this sucks.

I mean, really sucks.

When people come to me and go "So Anfiniti is on it's last legs", then we need to do something about this.

We've worked too damn hard for Anfiniti to go down because we're too damn lazy/don't care to post anymore.

So c'mon, give us some activity. Show us we still have a reason to be around, other than to sit and whine and bitch and fight in the nextshout. The shoutbox is amazing, but the site isn't about the shoutbox: the shoutbox is there to be convenient, but not the end all discussion place.

Get active in things. I don't care if you spam your fucking heads off in the What are you currently _ threads, or if you post images in general discussion, or if you just make threads saying "I thought this game was cool" or "Remember when we __?"

Get active in the RPG. The more we get done for that the more people we can lure. I don't give a shit right now if it's "RDE" people, or that they only post to play in it: we're that hard up for activity.

So c'mon. Let's get rolling, folks.

[Hayato]

alright man

[Indigo]

yeah, i paid to renew the vB until January 2010, so we gotta keep this thing in use until then at least. :p

[Radu]

Ehhh... fine >: (

[Zero S.]

The first item of business is recruitment then.

[dr. shitlizard]

When people come to me and go "So Anfiniti is on it's last legs", then we need to do something about this.

wooooo represent

[Solitary Seraph]

two problems with that.

One being that we don't have anything to offer besides what Steve's got for us, other than ridicule.

The second being we're pagerank 0 on google's search engine, so nobody's going to find us except for bots.

[dr. shitlizard]

Those bots could become valuable members of the community. We've taken on bigger projects! (flip)

alright there's my two posts can i lurk in the shoutbox now

[Solitary Seraph]

What I was thinking of was getting the VBSEO, because it seems like it's valid (lots of forums use it and google hasn't cracked down) but we have issues with that.

One being that we have hidden forums, and two being that it's kinda expensive. :P

[Pip]

We need a 2k-Dragon/Sean Fury/Sasuke member every 2-3 months or so.

[Zuru]

Not scaring off people would be a good start but we don't seem to be bettering ourselves on that.

Hey, let's invite Sean Fury and Mobius back. They were fun.

[dr. shitlizard]

Not scaring off people would be a good start but we don't seem to be bettering ourselves on that.

Hey, let's invite Sean Fury and Mobius back. They were fun.

I'm all for a Fury return, but Mobius wasn't even funny in that ironic 'terrible member' way that Fury and 2k were.

[Kyuuketsuki]

Alright, heres some of my ideas.

- Make a front page with news feeds and possibly links to new threads.
- The RPG should be noted on the front page and advertised.
- We need logos. I'm no good at that and can only make basic text logos.
- Perhaps a mascot?

[Grim Oyster Kvlt]

I am more than willing to help out as much as I can, since I really want to see this place doing better again. Any REALISTIC suggestions for how I can be of help, let me know. As for banners and shit: i'd do them if I wasn't so god awful with graphics.

[Solitary Seraph]

I really like Kyuu's ideas and I'm working on implementing them in some form or other. What I was going to do with the raffle ticket money is buy us a front page, with some spiffy designs, but Steve might be able to keep me from going that route.

Another thing I'd like to address is something's that's been nagging me, and it's a very valid, and hypocritical problem for me.

The problem I have with Anfiniti, and what I think may be the cause of the post death periods, is that it's gotten boring. We don't really do anything anymore unless it's a raid or something really interesting happens, and what we need to do is focus on ourselves before we branch out to other things. We need to work on getting new members in, and not rejecting them out of hand, because Anfiniti has a horrible time accepting new people. We have a (not unreasonable) standard of grammar and spelling, but the way we set out to get it fixed is wrong. We need to quit bashing on people because they're new, or they post a certain way, or they may even, god forbid, spell like someone on AIM, because right now we're like two guys passing the same buck back and forth and saying we're making money.

Another problem that I see (after it was pointed out to me) is that we've become afraid to make new threads, because we have members who will gladly snipe you if you make something stupid. This fear of new threads is killing us. The self trolling is going to kill us before anything else does. Just look at some of the music topics, or several of the general topic threads.


I'm definitely not going to say "Guys we have rules" and implement them, or say "God guys stop being so mean", but at least try to reign it in a little.

The last problem that we have is a biggie, as well. Anfiniti, as much as we dislike admitting it, is a niche forum. We are a forum of people who said "Fuck you" to Scott and went somewhere else, and we've worked hard to keep from being overrun by idiots. But now we've gotten to the point where we're killing ourselves by not mingling with new people: there's a difference between an idiot and someone who's made a simple mistake. What can we do to get out of this niche we have, because the only thing I can think of that really sets us apart is Steve and his magic coding.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not here to make Anfiniti a "big" board, with lots of members and things of that nature. I'm still in this for you guys. But when Anfiniti becomes the "Well I'm bored cause somebody didn't reply to my RP, I'll go on Anfiniti" then I've lost the touch for you people. Anfiniti is for you guys, not for me. That's why I'm always willing to shell out the money to pay for it. But it's killing me to see you guys lose interest. We need more content and serious posting, and I don't see how to implement that without 1) rules or 2) you guys making a conscious effort. I never went into Anfiniti expecting to make money, so don't think that I want to become the next Gaia. I just want to keep Anfiniti an interesting place to come, and make it your home again.

Yes, it's corny, but that's the problem. And I want your solutions. One big help we'd have is, if you guys go out to other forums, if you'd have banners or a link that would link to Anfiniti while posting. This way we could get some back links that would increase our page rank, and more guests would arrive. And not just a "Anfiniti Network" link, describe it. Such as, "Anfiniti: Where the wild ones go" or whatever. (Yeah I know that's gay but fuck it.)

[Zuru]

Hey, let's invite Sean Fury and Mobius2K back. They were fun.

I like Kyuu's idea too except the mascot thing, I think of that and see some hentai school thing going on.

Banners and search engine would be the only thing I can think of. Maybe get some sort of blogging page up in one of those social community things or something. Something to get us out there.

You guys are my only forum. Awww.
Invite old people back, go out and invite everyone on your IM lists, whatever. Let's get more people to use that referral box when they sign up, hey.

[Anya]

:| I would draw a mascot, but it'd probably wind up some faggoty animu character.

Anyway, once I get my tablet, I may get back to work on the Anfiniti comic. Don't know if that would spark any interest for new members, but it gives me something to do. Oh, I'm also still considering the manga and anime review website. I'll need someone like Chuck to give me a hand with the anime at least, and the opinions of those who actually watch/read could be a big help too. I'll probably start writing reviews during the downtime at work.

Eh. Yeah. That's what I have to offer for now. If you guys still need cash or T-shirt ideas or whatever, lemme know.

[Chuck]

I was under the impression that Bman was our mascot, from all our propaganda banners and whatnot.

And Sean hit the nail on the head with his post.

[Solitary Seraph]

We can't use Bman because we could get in trouble.

[Snuggles]

I'll try and be more active only I gloss over half the threads that are made cos I'm not interested in them/don't even know what they are.

[Lunar Shadow]

I will try to recruit some, as wel as be more active. Can't really contribute much else.

[Sonic]

I'll start posting more often and see what I can do to spur some activity into the rest of you. I don't visit any other forums but I'll see what I can do with that too.

[Chaos Bard]

Whoa I missed discussions

But, um. I guess I could look around for members? The last time I did that they were all "it's too different for me hurrr" so that's kinda aggravating. I think I'll try to get some of my KoL friends interested.

If there's anything else I can do, Sean, you know to just ask me. Don't hesitate.

[Ehsivar]

We can't use Bman because we could get in trouble.




http://www.anfinitinetwork.com/w/images/0/0c/Dream_Triangle.JPG

[Zuru]

http://www.anfinitinetwork.com/w/images/0/0c/Dream_Triangle.JPG

No. Sorry babe, but no one likes your faggot triangle. DX

[Chuck]

Hey! I like his faggot triangle. :(

[Zuru]

Nothing will ever be loved like his "hai sammich" pic.

[Atrophius]

We can't use Bman because we could get in trouble.
Besides that, new people wouldn't get it, anyway.

[ZombieG]

Actually build a portal. I think it'd work wonders.

[rooky]

we could always try to invite real life friends, it may not work but worth a shot

[Mit Man]

Starving us of the chatbox seems to be working (and I'm not complaining I know). I think we've all just been starving for some incentive to post. The whole reason RPGP flourished way back in the day was basically because of the money/rewards you could earn through posting. Should our RPG get fully fleshed out and everything we could advertise it and perhaps integrate it into the forums somehow, giving people further incentive to post. Then we can attract new people who are in it for the RPG, who can discover the wonders of the forums through it.

Some kind of recurring themed threads would be nice too. The kind of things that can be announced in a portal.

Yeah, need that portal. I say start there.

[Solitary Seraph]

The rpg is built into vbulletin mit. As your forum level gets higher the better the class you can choose, stuff like that.

[Ehsivar]

What about using the aurum to change name colors, titles, etc.?

[ZombieG]

Yeah, need that portal. I say start there.I think the portal needs more work than the RPG, to be honest.

RPGs are nice and all, but the activity given is pretty hollow and vapid. Having a portal with something like columns and what not would give Anfiniti a centrifugal purpose, even if it's writing about nothing at all. I'd even go so far as to say that it should be a new template that posts an identical thread in the community discussion, that way people are inclined to join if they have a comment.

Unless you guys are looking for the type of activity RPGP had. Which is laughable.

[Atrophius]

To put things into perspective, the front page for the site seems like it would be a better short-term fix with the RPG being a long-term one. In order for a short-term fix to work, it needs to be worked on. That's why I requested a specific list of actionable items so we can get started. What is the next logical step we need to take to make this happen? And move from there.

[Mit Man]

Separate front page thread go go go

(but not by me because I don't know what all the most popular features mentioned for it are)

[Solitary Seraph]

http://www.anfinitinetwork.com/forum/showpost.php?p=119968&postcount=14

Already ahead of you mit, by like a day!

[Mit Man]

Man, I knew that was there too... I've even posted in it. Think I just forgot and thought I only posted in here -.-

It's 3am, I'm dead tired, it's time for some sleep.

[skittlehawk]

Oh snap! WOW!! I must say, that addresses most of the things that concerned me about anfiniti. I mean, it was great for a while because people were active. Then it just kinda died out (not saying that it really did, but it felt that way) when 80% of the posts I couldn't really respond to because I had no idea what they were about.

Anyways, I'll see what I can do. I don't really go on forums too much because... well I don't know that many forums. This is the first real forum that I actually went on. The only other ones that I can recall are those private RO server forums that you need to play.

So yeah, now that I'm in college and I got a kick ass schedule, I have a lot of free time right now, so yeah, tell me what I can do besides being more active.

[Zero S.]

We could do what what we did the first time...

Go invade another forum and steal their members! It worked damn well last time (Hai Anfiniti :) )


Just throwing that out there...

[Burning Dread]

We could do what what we did the first time...

Go invade another forum and steal their members! It worked damn well last time (Hai Anfiniti :) )


Just throwing that out there...

Well, that might be a good (but in a bad way) idea, aren't you afraid that you might get some unwanted people joining? Or little kids who can't typed well enough to be understandable?

[Zero S.]

I understand that the approach could bring in some potentially unwanted people, but that's what we have staff for. It'll give them something to do.

But seriously, we can't choose who comes and who doesn't, that kind of attitude towards our members drives people away because it makes them think we hate them. If those kinds of people come we can either a) Educate them a bit, and hope they pick up on it on their own, b) yell at them until they change or leave.

Members are members.

[Chuck]

a) Educate them a bit, and hope they pick up on it on their own, b) yell at them until they change or leave.We've tried both approaches and they've failed miserably. The only realistic solution I see to this is to shut up and tolerate whatever idiocy they throw at you; hoping that they'll change in due time (as most usually do). I can name a quite a few people from RPGP v3's days who were completely different back then.

[Burning Dread]

Good point you got, Selim. I'm sure not everyone is an annoying punk.

[Grim Oyster Kvlt]

The truth is you sometimes have to take some risks to grow your forum into a larger userbase. Should somebody prove to be too big of an idiot, you just ban. While that may seem heartless and unfair, sometimes you have to ban an idiot just for being an idiot, if only to keep your good members from leaving.

[Burning Dread]

Yeah, and funny thing, you have to be careful who you ban too. So you don't cause a riot, though I believe if it happens, those who go against it aren't worth having on here. Especially if they side with the troublemaker. :/

[Grim Oyster Kvlt]

If a riot starts, ban the rioters if they won't calm down. Dunno what else to say :(

[Shunyata]

FYI to skittlehawk and new members: I learned most of the happenings of the board through the barely-advertised Wiki page (http://anfinitinetwork.com/w/). Of course being told to read it to get involved in anything won't do much for new people. But..for those willing to read up, it should. Random page FTW, same for clicking by enticing titles.

The portal should include something on the Wiki. Maybe popular pages, maybe show a brief detailing (limited characters from a page?) of a random page as part of the portal. Something regarding it, anyway. Reminding even the old members of things passed should at least maybe get a few lulz in.

/love of wiki

[Mindlessmaniac]

Just a note on the stupid members thing: Every village has its idiot.

[Kyuuketsuki]

Just a note on the stupid members thing: Every village has its idiot.

Brandon.

[Reku]

FYI to skittlehawk and new members

He joined before you :p

Random page FTW, same for clicking by enticing titles.

Wait. That reminds me.
The main page of the wiki DEFinitely needs a make-over.


One of the things that it should include is a giant (or at least fairly visible) link to "Random page". If Ryan or one of the WikiHeads could take the time to pull out notable excerpts, we could throw them underneath their corresponding "Random page" link-- no?

[Grim Oyster Kvlt]

Just a note on the stupid members thing: Every village has its idiot.

any village that doesn't would be pretty dull. But still, it's not like we want the idiots to take over either.

[Sam]

When are we getting a portal and some content? Do you guys have any software in mind?

[Solitary Seraph]

Argh, you guys (and you know who you are) are pissing me off.

I don't care if they don't post in correct format.

They could post in broken English, sonnet form, rap style, or ANY way.

Do not get onto them for how they post.

They will learn. Do not get onto them for "spamming" a spam forum. Do not get on people's case when they don't do it exactly the way you want!

This is why we can't have nice things!

[Chuck]

Don't get onto people who don't agree with you either. Christ, that's one of our worst traits.

[Kyuuketsuki]

It's exactly that reason why we don't have many members. We're mostly like-minded individuals. Whats so hard to accept someone who's different?

[Grim Oyster Kvlt]

Like-minded? I sure as fuck am not, although I share some common ground with Kyuu and Sean in some ways. But yeah, I guess when you have a forum a certain way for so long, people get used to things being like that and don't want to change things.

[Mit Man]

The point is though, that people change over time. Forum noobs are always annoying, it happens, but they will nonetheless generate some activity, and eventually mature into good members (as most of us have).

We're definitely in no danger of ever being taken over by them either. 95% of the people here are good members who know how to post. 10 noobs could come and light the place on fire and we could still keep it under control, I don't think we need to worry about 1 or 2. Let them be, offer them constructive criticism on their posts, and let us grow ;_;


On the portal, I think trying to get something like my concept created completely through wordpress is too much, and I don't think anyone wants to do it (especially since most people, like myself, don't know how to edit the CSS). Aren't there vB add-ons for portals that already look like generic portals, that we could bend to our will a bit easier than wordpress?

[Reaper]

I'm slowly getting active again, and I'm a Forum noob who absolutely despises some here, and I go out of my way to annoy people.

Why am I still here?

[Grim Oyster Kvlt]

Despite being an elitist douchebag in my own way, even I agree that more needs to be done to welcome new/n00b members into the fold, and hopefully some will stick around long enough to actually be worthwhile contributors.

[Chuck]

All of us share like-mindedness in one fashion in another; whether it be taste in music, video games, movies, or anything at all. I'm as guilty of this as the rest of you guys, because I'm one of the RPG-kiddies who knows and plays more than what most consider healthy. I have, however, realized that going out of your way to insult somebody - just because they don't share the same views as you - is... well... completely idiotic and a waste of time (you could argue that message boards in general are a waste of time, but that goes without saying).

Who the fuck decided that you had to think a certain way to be cool and accepted? We're a collection of oddities who have radically different backgrounds and ideas, despite the occasional shared interests here and there. Who the fuck decided that you had to go and post your retort against someone who just doesn't agree with you? "What, he doesn't like Sonic the Hedgehog?! How dare he have an opinion that differs from mine! I have to unleash my rage through an inane collection of insults! " I've seen this in the ZombieG vs. Crushed Hope thread, and while I agree with Ryan (and found the content hilarious), it was completely uncalled for on both their parts.

I know I'm also guilty of going out of my way to berate someone, for short-lived comedic purposes, but really... this doesn't solve anything at all. Having to tolerate someone is not difficult. If I can do it, then surely you can.

[Reku]

Not to devalue Cloud's post, but I was really under the impression that things like what was just said didn't need to be stated. Maybe I just really wanted to think that you guys did it all in the name of a good joke, but then it kept going on and on. If you guys are joking, it's getting pretty old.

I know you got finger wagged in the other thread, Holly and Derek, but really guys-- and I mean this to everyone. We don't need you all to turn into crotchety old people who do nothing but yell at the "darned whippersnappers." I talked to Sean, and Anfiniti is like his super-cool baby. Don't make his baby go all angsty teen. If that happens, no-one wins.

[ZombieG]

All of us share like-mindedness in one fashion in another; whether it be taste in music, video games, movies, or anything at all. I'm as guilty of this as the rest of you guys, because I'm one of the RPG-kiddies who knows and plays more than what most consider healthy. I have, however, realized that going out of your way to insult somebody - just because they don't share the same views as you - is... well... completely idiotic and a waste of time (you could argue that message boards in general are a waste of time, but that goes without saying).

Who the fuck decided that you had to think a certain way to be cool and accepted? We're a collection of oddities who have radically different backgrounds and ideas, despite the occasional shared interests here and there. Who the fuck decided that you had to go and post your retort against someone who just doesn't agree with you? "What, he doesn't like Sonic the Hedgehog?! How dare he have an opinion that differs from mine! I have to unleash my rage through an inane collection of insults! " I've seen this in the ZombieG vs. Crushed Hope thread, and while I agree with Ryan (and found the content hilarious), it was completely uncalled for on both their parts.

I know I'm also guilty of going out of my way to berate someone, for short-lived comedic purposes, but really... this doesn't solve anything at all. Having to tolerate someone is not difficult. If I can do it, then surely you can.
I'm sure this is a shocker, but I'm in complete disagreement. I don't want Crushed Hope to think the way I do. I want to voice my opinion over how ridiculous I see him. It has nothing to do with me wanting him to sway him to my side of thinking, I'm already convinced whatever I like is 100% amazing. It's not a joke, I genuinely do find him intolerable at points. However, I honestly don't care what the rules are. If voicing my opinion results in a warning, then whatever, I'll take it. I see this as a fairly lame solution, though.

There will be people who will not get along. Though I think Crushed Hope is a tremendous cunt, he deserves the right to say the same about me however he feels. Not to mention, how many times did something happen between him and I? Three times? Four maybe? These sorts of things are incredibly infrequent, and totally irrelevant of the changes people want to make.

Sure, people shouldn't be shut out, but I'm not for people having to make sure they approach people in a warm and friendly matter. I by default do not like members until they've said something I agree with, it's just how I am because I'm a major asshole. However, several other people feel the same way, and we don't just fly into their welcome threads with our insults ready.

[Radu]

Hai guyz, on the topic of not *getting at* each other, trolling, etc...
Can my name go back to Radu4, I'm tired of being the Anfiniti Sephy-bitch :<



I agree with Selim.


--Wishes of a poor, constantly trolled, new-fag

[Grim Oyster Kvlt]

Sephy-kun err Radu: involuntary name changes are hazing for new-fags. Once the hazing period has been deemed as over, send $100 to Sean and he'll change the name back :)

[Solitary Seraph]

Hai guyz, on the topic of not *getting at* each other, trolling, etc...
Can my name go back to Radu4, I'm tired of being the Anfiniti Sephy-bitch :<



I agree with Selim.


--Wishes of a poor, constantly trolled, new-fag
You aren't a newfag, you're just a meme spouter. Anything that happens to you is totally deserved.

[Chuck]

I don't want Crushed Hope to think the way I do. I want to voice my opinion over how ridiculous I see him. It has nothing to do with me wanting him to sway him to my side of thinking, I'm already convinced whatever I like is 100% amazing.You can do so without throwing out hurtful remarks. If you're as good a writer as you say you are, then this should be a piece of cake. It's not a joke, I genuinely do find him intolerable at points.I can say the same for a few of our members as well, even you whenever you feel like doing the obnoxious showboating gag, but sometimes it's best just to keep your mouth shut. Because of that ridicule Crushed Hope doesn't post here anymore, which you and a few others may appreciate... but what about the rest of the board? You should try to take their input into consideration as well.

However, I honestly don't care what the rules are. If voicing my opinion results in a warning, then whatever, I'll take it.Therein lies the problem. See, you may think it isn't a big deal when you go and break the rules just to prove a point, but if it were another member doing the same thing... you may take that quite differently. Also, by doing that, more members are inevitably going to go and repeat what you're doing; it just works that way. Actually, that emulation of nonchalance was one of the main reasons why we became such elitist asshats to begin with.

I see this as a fairly lame solution, though.
The warning or tolerance? Because we're doing tons better by going with the latter. I don't see how warnings are a lame solution if they work the majority of the time.

There will be people who will not get along.Right. You and I are prime examples of this in some cases, but try to have some patience.

Though I think Crushed Hope is a tremendous cunt, he deserves the right to say the same about me however he feels.Rightfully so. Like I said, though, you can do that without crossing certain boundaries.

Not to mention, how many times did something happen between him and I? Three times? Four maybe? These sorts of things are incredibly infrequent, and totally irrelevant of the changes people want to make.Frequency isn't the only thing you should be focusing on; impact plays an enormous role as well. There is a 30+ post thread on the two of you bickering for fuck's sake. Not to mention that dupe-account you made for the sole purpose of irritating Crushed Hope. That kind of posting material is getting us absolutely nowhere in the grand scheme of things.

Sure, people shouldn't be shut out, but I'm not for people having to make sure they approach people in a warm and friendly matter.Why not? Our elitism in the music sub-forum has killed its activity for people other than us. Sure, you could argue that our tastes are infinitely better, but that's awfully self-centered. We can easily recommend material and give constructive criticism without outright saying "your shit sucks," as seen in Shining X's thread.

I by default do not like members until they've said something I agree with, it's just how I am because I'm a major asshole.I pity you.

However, several other people feel the same way, and we don't just fly into their welcome threads with our insults ready.Right. Give people a chance or two, dude, even if it does push your patience to its limit.

[ZombieG]

I said I was a good writer?

Whether or not I'm tolerable has no bearing on what I think, but Crushed Hope was a troll. He's a pretty poor example of a tenet of the community being driven off. Is he even gone, anyway?

Beyond that, it's not that I feel I have the right to break the rules, it's that the rules are ultimately ludicrous. I've never had a problem welcoming any new member, even with my predisposition to not liking them (which you seem to pity, as opposed to people who vociferously shout their immediate concerns while I remain reserved until they proof-positive become 2K-Dragon.

Look at our Wiki. It's not entertaining to read because we're nice, it's entertaining to read because we're vicious. When Rob said what we were doing to Sasuke was sad, what did you think? We should stop? No. Sure, we should be accepting of new members, but I think dissuading Anfiniti to continue in that manner that filled up a Wiki(specific pages with over a 1,000 page views) is a pretty bad idea.

Also, you seem to have a few misconceptions. I by default don't like anyone until they've done something that impresses me. I don't loathe them, but I go out of my way to ignore them. Outside of Crushed Hope, what other instances have I attacked a member that would cause them to leave the internet forever?

[Chuck]

I said I was a good writer?At one point or another.

Whether or not I'm tolerable has no bearing on what I think, but Crushed Hope was a troll.Are you kidding me? The only times he's ever shown troll-like behavior was when you got on his case. The shoutbox flooding asking to be banned? That was due to the aforementioned 30+ post thread. Given your and my history in various past trollings, we're in no position to talk about who does or doesn't act like a troll.

He's a pretty poor example of a tenet of the community being driven off. Is he even gone, anyway?I used that example because of the extent you've gone to berate him. Whether-or-not you think of him as a poor member holds no bearing my judgement; it's what you did to him that does. I may not like the guy, or even agree with his music tastes and preferences, but really... that was too much. He hasn't posted in a while, so for all intents and purposes he's gone.

Beyond that, it's not that I feel I have the right to break the rules, it's that the rules are ultimately ludicrous.How so? We've had hardly any rules at all up until recently, and even now they aren't asking for too much. How could you possibly find them ludicrous?



I've never had a problem welcoming any new member, even with my predisposition to not liking them (which you seem to pity, as opposed to people who vociferously shout their immediate concerns while I remain reserved until they proof-positive become 2K-Dragon.While I do not like how you deal with some members, I do like how you treat the newly-registered indiscriminately. That is something we should all practice.

What I pity is what I consider your self-centered outlook on the scheme of things. You go on and on about how you don't like this or that and act according to your interests, but those are just your views - Not the collective thought of the entire board. You claim you don't care about others' opinions about you, yet you're willing to insult others who question you. Even in jest, that seems contradictory to your statement.


My string of suggestions are not cries for attention. They were inspired by a series of events and posts, concerning the future of this board. My push for a stop to sniping may have been late and badly timed, but you know what they say: Better late than never.

Look at our Wiki. It's not entertaining to read because we're nice, it's entertaining to read because we're vicious.You seem to misunderstand something, Ryan... While Anfiniti's wiki has comedy based on the expense of others, it isn't the only thing there (actually, troll and humorous member profiles make up a very small percentage of it). While it is lackluster compared to the stuff we've piled up on Sasuke, 2k, and Tseng... it's still there. We could work and improve upon those areas in the future, given enough dedication. These areas could one day pique the interest of the random passer-by and even get them to register.

Also, have you already forgotten how different we were before you showed up again? We had absolutely no notions of trolling - other than to attack RPGPalace - and we were doing pretty okay back then. Sure, we had Zaben, but our humor wasn't bad in the slightest. What was bad was our elitism.

When Rob said what we were doing to Sasuke was sad, what did you think? We should stop? No.Of course not. What Sasuke did goes beyond any conceptions of tolerance. Even a saint would agree.

Sure, we should be accepting of new members, but I think dissuading Anfiniti to continue in that manner that filled up a Wiki(specific pages with over a 1,000 page views) is a pretty bad idea. What I'm saying is be nice to the people of this board. I never said anything about scolding other boards or ceasing future troll projects. I'm not asking for us to completely alter our personalities into mindless, nice-loving droids... just to bite your tongue if you feel that urge of odium kicking in.

Also, you seem to have a few misconceptions. I by default don't like anyone until they've done something that impresses me. I don't loathe them, but I go out of my way to ignore them.Ah. Sorry for the misjudgment. Keep up the ignoring.

Outside of Crushed Hope, what other instances have I attacked a member that would cause them to leave the internet forever?Nothing comes to mind. Still, there's always the chance of encountering another Crushed Hope-esqe member in the future. I want to address the problem before - and if - it occurs. Nothing more.

[ZombieG]

Erm, I've said I liked to write. I never said I considered myself a "great writer."

Look at Crushed Hope's posts in the "What Are You Listening To?" thread. They're constant snipes. He's even done this on other boards he frequents, such as FFI. Brad can testify.

Also, I find your insinuation that I'm a troll preposterous. Sure, I enjoy trolling, but you seem to as well. However, in contrast to me, I've participated in every writing challenge so far, written for the wordpress, worked on the Imageboard, built the Wiki almost from the ground up until Ehsi spear-headed it. What have you contributed like that? Weren't you there as well for TCP, TCG, Rogue Dynasty, so on and so forth? Think about what you're saying before you say it.

And I don't see how anyone could consider Crushed Hope a valuable member. Not saying he needs to leave, but find how many posts he's made outside of the music forum. Guessing it's fractional in contrast to his post count. Also, he's working.

But shhh, don't tell.

They're ludicrous because you're establishing rules over a non-existent problem. Your example of Crushed Hope being driven off didn't even happen; the only members who've been driven off were Sasuke, 2KDargon and the like.

My self-centered look? I want everyone here to have the freedom to say whatever the hell they want, not just me. Even Red. I'm saying this because these rules of "acting nice to your neighbor" are the types of rules that's going to turn Anfiniti into something that isn't fun anymore. I didn't come here because it's nice, I came here because it was blunt and entertaining. Even though there were squabbles, people still managed to get along with each other for the vast majority of time. How many times have you and I been dragged into circumstances similar to this, yet we still manage to be civil to each other?

The wiki covers more than trolling no doubt, but what do people spend their time on? That's my point. It's the sort of thing that separates Anfiniti from x message board. You might've had less elitism, but the inability to become a part of the community was still there.

Really starting to get tired of this. There are people in every community who act in undesirable manners. Even if you consider me a troll, I'm the one Radu4 goes to whenever he needs something done. It usually does get done, too. These future problems you're hypothesizing about aren't even a problem now, compared to the welcome people like fyadus and Flip got. Even when Flip posts now, she's shunned. I'm not behind that at all, yet I could care less if other people do or do not feel the same way. It's the god damn internet, it's never been anyone's job here to gauge whether or not other members are mature enough to handle a bit of hazing, and we've never done anything heinous enough to completely destroy someone.

I'll muse you, though. Say that these future problems do exist as the community grows. If your primary example (pretty bad one, albeit) is that of me and Crushed Hope, that's one. We'll give you a second in the case of Flip and Derek. That's two. As of now, we have 341 members, and four that can't cooperate. When it doubles to 682, you'll have 8. When it quadruples to 1,364, you'll have 16. 10,912? 128 members who will be problematic.

Even beyond being hypothetical, the outcome is ridiculous minuscule. I just don't see a point, ultimately. This is going to be the last I have to add, this exchange of quotes is giving me a headache of bad nostalgia.

[Solitary Seraph]

Agreeing there with Ryan.

I don't see a lot of flaming going on (except for stupid bullshit from Radu and pip, which pip quit and radu gets the name if he does it anymore), and my big problem isn't the flaming, since we keep it off site.

My biggest issue is the fact that some people, who may be in the minority but are VERY vocal and get noticed, are huge post elitists. Fix that, and everything else will be fine.


Now, before we get into another quote war let's think of ideas for bringing in members.

[Chuck]

Just to clarify: I didn't call you a troll, Ryan. I said you liked to troll.

I'm going to drop it, since I no longer have a platform to defend (thanks for waiting until I posted to tell me why he left, Sean :mad:) and the both of you are right on our biggest concern being the post elitists. I was just being a big worrywart about what might happen later on.

So um, anyone up for convincing Hayato to start his RPG again?

[Reku]

He lost 3 months of work, and didn't want to have to recreate it.